Episode 18 of the VulnerABILITY Podcast is for anyone who feels like giving up, for anyone facing deep grief, or for anyone at the end of their rope and struggling to hold on. Host Marisa Donnelly and guest Abe Lopez share their personal experiences, anecdotes, and thoughts on ways to move forward, even if it’s only one baby step at a time.

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The truth of the matter is, everyone has moments where they want to quit. Everyone has days where they don’t feel like continuing, or that they don’t have the strength to. In this podcast episode, Marisa and Abe tackle these emotions head-on—not only to validate others’ emotions, but to acknowledge that feeling broken, lost, or stressed is a part of the process.

Abe shares about his struggle with school and finding a career. Marisa talks about her business and sheds light on moving forward for not only yourself, but for the people who love you. 

The underlying message: giving up isn’t an option.

Both hosts share, again and again, the truth of every hardship—it’s impermanent. They give ideas on ways to move forward and keep yourself level-headed, even when you just want to throw in the towel. The biggest thing is to have patience and take things step by step.